The following article discusses the experience of Dipsey on the World Wide Wits End message board from the atheist point of view.
After I posted it here, the host of WWWE, TimWit, found it "lacking in journalistic integrity", and I suggested that he respond.
Personally, I think that both Dipsey and TimWit are full of so much shit their eyes are brown, and need to sit back, take a deep breath, relax, and not take things so seriously.
There is a link at the end of the DumpMeister's article to the DimWits response. In the response, DimWit calls ME "obnoxious and irritating", imagine that. At least I can attest to there being some truth coming out of all of this.
I once heard the following statement, that sums it up beautifully. I don't know who said it, but I am certain it wasn't Rush Limbaugh:
Religion is like farts. Yours smell great, but everybody elses stink.
Johno
by
Keith Taylor, DipsyDmstr
posted to JohneeO's Web Site on September 2, 1998
The following will be an article in a future issue of Atheist Nation
Isnt it surprising how some people just arent satisfied? Take the colored folks for example. Why a few years back they demanded the polite term, colored, be discontinued. Then Negro had to be replaced by black.
About the time we got used to that, Jesse Jackson came along with another word for his folks--the awkward (and often incorrect) African-American. And in a move that must have confounded the die-hard traditionalists, African-American men insisted they be called men, not boys.
Gee, why cant those folks be satisfied? They dont have to sit in the back of the bus any more, and one of them sits on the Supreme Court. All this progress in the mere 134 years since the Civil War! Now, if theyll just not try to move in next door. . .
Such thoughts went through my mind when I was chatting with the editor of a national newspaper about my favorite subject--atheism. He clearly saw no need for running any stories from that viewpoint. I took advantage of the opportunity to give voice to my usual lament: George Bushs base statement that we dreaded nonbelievers couldnt be patriotic or even citizens.
It didnt faze the editor one bit. Obviously thats not true. You are a citizen. You vote and you served your country for twenty-three years.
But, I persisted, Doesnt it bother you that the vice president could simply dismiss a whole group of people because of their beliefs?
But you dont have beliefs. I tried to catch a bit of irony in his statement, but this nabob of publishing world was serious. I could only infer that he was willing to allow preferential status for those who at least believe in something. The editor clearly was uncomfortable with the subject and found he had a lot of work to do all of a sudden. Thus, another phone call ended with my blood pressure on the up tick.
Thats the way it always goes. Atheism is a subject few people are willing to discuss. Just bring it up and out comes the old reliable Oh we dont ever discuss religion. That bit of disingenuous censorship works well for most Americans.
Atheists are invisible, just as were African-Americans for the first hundred years after their emancipation. Check some of the movies, books, plays, TV shows made prior to the 1960s and count the black characters in anything other than a subservient role.
Now its our turn. We are the niggers of today. What does it matter if a small minority is ignored? We are not a voting bloc to be reckoned with. Generally we arent joiners; heck by definition we cannot join most outfits unless we proclaim a belief in good old God. Our opinions are seldom reflected in the press.
And the disadvantages are built into our culture. Folks who believe in good old god are given a huge head start. They are automatically assumed to be virtuous as in good Catholics, or good Mormons. Ever see the term good atheist in the paper? We dont even get a capital letter.
I belong to a writers group, comprised mostly of sexagenarians like me. Most are also women. Still, about anything goes. Steamy sexual situations are described complete with all the cuss words. The class dutifully critiques the writers ability to write regardless of his opinions --almost always.
What makes these folks so nervous? Yep, atheism. The group which can handle that big four-letter F word because it advances the plot has a huge problem with the idea that some folks just do not believe. It does not matter that few of the true believers actually believe in whatever another true believer believes. The folks who believe in none are shuffled off to the back of the bus.
Its rife throughout our society A while back I got involved in an Internet forum. Twas a good un--one of those anything goes ones. We discussed politics, the environment, fads and fashions, language, motorcycles, military things, and sex. A couple of folks said fuck more times than Id done it.
What was missing? Yep, you got it again: atheism. I broached the exclusion of atheists from the Boy Scouts and got a swell argument going even though I was in the minority. Several folks were anxious to defend the outfit that does so much good.
A couple other folks on the forum were atheists. One came to the defense of me and all his fellow nonbelievers. The other just wished Id stop rocking the boat. Ever heard that before? Soon the whole argument disintegrated into a gabble about how you atheists shouldnt put your opinions off on others. I felt like a Mormon missionary in Alabama.
Soon Americas most pervasive and pernicious institute was excluded from discussions of all the worlds great problems. In fact the board host sent me this notice:
Any notes you post on the subject of atheism will be removed.Thus a free-wheeling Internet forum became a little less free-wheeling. And, isnt that summed up nicely by the statement its my religion and I dont want to discuss it. And isnt it easy for them to say that if we dont want to rock the boat?
Thus it is from the viewpoints of presidents, editors of national magazines, and rednecks. Utter the word atheist and folks will gulp a couple times. Maybe theyll say oh thats all right as if we need their permission to disbelieve in unproved (and generally awfully unlikely) dogma. Utter atheist a second time and they will suddenly remember all that work they have to get to. Any other mention of the word will bring the admonishment that we ought to think of something else to talk about.
And it isnt just that we differ. Its that people love to accept something on faith alone. Then, from that vantage point, those righteous folks chuck rocks at the heads of those of us who dont accept faith. Take a look at the number of laws now being proposed which are mostly religious in nature.
Lets face it folks, the fact that we dont go along with the majority makes them uneasy, and it leaves us with less freedom than they have. And despite what you hear, it isnt going to get better unless we yell our asses off.
As for me, I do not intend to stay invisible or sit in the back of the bus any longer. Other freethinkers will have to make their own choice whether their intellectual freedom is worth rocking the boat.
Email Dipsey DumpsterPlease go to the response by TimWit:
Atheism: Going to Hell in a Handbasket
A link to the Web Board where this took place: World Wide Wits End© 2001 johneeo@rcn.com
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